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Mavic R-SYS wheelset first look

Mavic does it again with TraComp spokes


Posted: 11 July 2007
by Richard Hallett


Rear hub has tangent aluminium spokes on drive side

Distinctive Mavic styling

Threadlock used on hub end spoke mount

Threaded rim familiar from Ksyrium series

Hub end non-threaded

Splined threaded end attaches to rim

Eight years on from shocking the cycling world with the flattened aluminium spokes of the Ksyrium wheelset, Mavic has done it again by building a wheel with spokes that do the apparently impossible by working in either tension or compression depending on the loading on the wheel.

It needs stating that this does not happen in a conventional wire-spoked wheel. All the spokes are in tension all of the time in a sound wheel. Any spoke that finds itself no longer in tension, as when the rim is deflected inwards enough to unload it, simply becomes entirely slack. If this happens momentarily to a wheel that hits a big enough bump, the spoke’s nipple may even start to unscrew, which is one reason wheels with low spoke tension, which slacken under a lesser load, quickly go out of true.

It is obvious on inspection that there is no mechanism by which a conventional wire spoke can work in compression, that is to say be compressed from the ends. Since the nipple is free to move outwards away from the rim, the rim cannot press inwards on the end of the spoke. Even if it could, the thin wire spoke would be unable to resist such compression without buckling, as is easily demonstrated with a single spoke.

The latest wheelset, labelled R-SYS, from the innovative French firm turns convention on its head with a concept that is not only able to compress the spokes, but uses spokes designed to be compressed at times. This novel idea, named TraComp from Traction Compression, relies, perhaps inevitably, on the incredible stiffness of carbon-fibre. Each spoke is made by moulding unidirectional fibres into a thin tube of about 3mm diameter. The hole down the middle is about 1mm diameter. The spoke would work equally well without the hole, but the hole, obviously, saves weight. Since the fibres all run along the length of the tube, it is very stiff in tension. Therefore, a sharp increase in tensile load results in a very small increase in the length of the spoke.

The spoke is also stiff in compression and, thanks to the diameter of the spoke and the high modulus of elasticity of carbon, resistant to buckling. A back of an envelope calculation of Euler’s theorem says that a steel spoke of slightly greater diameter able to resist buckling to the same extent would need to be solid and around 5 times the weight. Not surprisingly, the carbon spoke wins, since a steel spoke of 3mm diameter is almost four times the weight of a double butted 2mm-1.8mm-2mm spoke.

Locating this light, stiff spoke is done with Mavic’s well-known FORE system at the rim, which is threaded in the manner of a Ksyrium rim. A male threaded tip is bonded to the rim end of the spoke, and once inserted into the rim is resistant to both tension and compression. The hub end is a bit more complex. The spoke is inserted from the hub centre through a hole on the cylindrical flange; once tight, it pulls against the inside of the hub. To provide a seat to secure the spoke against pushing forces, a ring is placed inside the completed circle of spoke heads. A locking compound is used on the spoke head, presumably to lubricate the spoke as it is screwed into in the rim and to secure it at the hub once hardened.

Mavic says that the key to the whole idea is that the spokes are only lightly tensioned when the wheel is complete. Under normal rolling loads, each spoke remains in tension. Under sudden exceptional loading of the rim, as when hitting a bump or sprinting out of the saddle, the spoke may go from being in tension to being compressed. Since it is designed for this, it continues to contribute to the integrity of the wheel. Should a conventional tension spoke become unloaded, it no longer has any influence on the rim, which measurably loses stiffness when this happens. The ultimate outcome of such an unloading is seen when a wheel ‘crisps’, and all spokes lose their tension.

At the front, all the spokes are the same. However, since the rear wheel must be dished to accommodate the cassette, the tension in the drive side spokes has to be much greater than in the non-drive spokes. The R-SYS design gets around this by using Ksyrium-type aluminium spokes on the gear side. These are highly tensioned as per the Ksyrium design, and provide the tangent cross pattern that transmits drive torque. The TraComp spokes on the non-drive side need only be lightly tensioned to provide the balancing pull, and therefore resist loads in the same way as in the front wheel. Mavic says this way of locating the spokes also avoids problems with crossing, which is inevitable somewhere in the back wheel. Furthermore, prototypes with tangent TraComp spokes on the drive side proved incredibly stiff and uncomfortable to ride.

Mavic claims several advantages to the new technology (naturally). Since the spokes exert only a light pull on the rim, it can be made with less material and is therefore lighter than, say, the Ksyrium SSC rim. The wheel is much more resistant to crisping under severe side loading, since the compressed spokes still support the rim. The light tension in the spokes allows them to absorb road shock more effectively than steel spokes. Furthermore, should a spoke break, the wheel will stay fairly true because lower tension in the remaining spokes is less able to distort it. Due to the use of the aluminium drive side spokes on the back wheel, some of this must apply more to the front wheel than the rear.

On the minus side, the thick, round spokes are not good for aerodynamics, and each spoke is vulnerable to crash damage in the same way as the composite spokes of a Lightweight wheel. On the other hand, they can be replaced.

RCUK will be reporting on the real-life performance of these wheels as soon as a pair arrives on the editor’s desk. So far they have been ridden by Saunier Duval in the Giro, and have been spotted on Saunier team bikes at the Tour de France prologue. Apparently they are great for climbing and, thanks to great rim stability, provide very precise handling on mountain descents.

Projected price is €1100 per pair, and the wheels will be offered with Mavic’s usual freehub body options in clincher or tub format at wheel pair weights of 1355g and 1330g respectively.

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    ANy Idea when they'll be available.....??
    Posted: 12/07/2007 18:33

    Nice aren't they?
    Posted: 12/07/2007 19:51

    Mid to late August seems to be the likely arrival date. We'll keep you posted
    Posted: 13/07/2007 12:53

    Mavic Arses?
    Posted: 13/07/2007 14:14

    Bit early to say
    Posted: 13/07/2007 14:52


    m@
    Saw some in a race yesterday, they could have done more in the styling department, they look so boring!
    Posted: 15/07/2007 17:26

    Nice price too.
    Posted: 16/07/2007 18:39


    m@
    1100 euro, so that's gonna be like £900... you gotta be kidding!
    Posted: 16/07/2007 18:43

    I could get a girlfriend for that.
    Posted: 16/07/2007 18:46

    More like £785; still plenty of coin, but they feel superlight and may yet turn out to be good wheels
    Posted: 17/07/2007 12:46

    "On the minus side, the thick, round spokes are not good for aerodynamics, and each spoke is vulnerable to crash damage in the same way as the composite spokes of a Lightweight wheel".

    Realistically at say 20/22mph, what affect would the spokes have aerodynamically to conventional or flat bladed spokes in 'wasted' power?
    Posted: 17/07/2007 13:40

    The following is very imprecise but here goes; TraComp spokes are about 50percent fatter than double-butted round spokes. Exact figures would depend on rim shape, spoke count etc, and the R-SYS wheel only has 16 front spokes anyway. Suppose the front wheel accounts for 10percent of the total aero drag of bike and rider, and the spokes for half that; that gives 50percent x 5percent, or about an extra 2.5percent wind drag, which at 20mph is roughly 50percent of the total holding the ride rider back. Say 200W total drag including tyre rolling resistance etc @20mph and you get an extra 2.5W assuming the same spoke count and rim shape. Compared to Ksyriums, with aero bladed spokes, the difference may be as much as 10W; of course, as you go faster, the actual wattage difference will go up although the percentage difference will stay the same. Realistically, at touring, training and climbing speeds the aero difference is minimal; apparently, the R-SYS wheels are good for descending thanks to their stiffness, and their claimed fatigue resistance should make them excellent for touring and general riding. Think Spinergy Spox but lighter and stiffer and you are not too far off. Just don't expect them to make the ideal TT wheel.
    Posted: 17/07/2007 13:58

    I like that Mavic are doing something different and these are crazy stiff (56N/mm which is nearly Lightweight stiff), but they're also 1.35 times less aerodynamic than Ksyrium ES and 1.57 less than Cosmic Carbone Ultimates. That kinda rules them out for me.

    Fulcrum Racing Zeroes (almost acceptable in red and black) or Campagnolo Shamal Ultras (now they come in silver - Titanium - colour at claimed 1395g a set) look like better bets. If you want more on the R-SYS, check this out:

    http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-6833227.html


    Posted: 02/09/2007 14:27

    Has anybody actually ridden a pair of these wheels? Would be interested in any feedback regarding how they felt, how robust they are, how quick (or slow) they are...
    Posted: 12/02/2008 19:49

    They had the worst aero figures of a whole bunch of weels tested on Roues Artisans (French wheel specialist site). General consensus on WW is that there is much better for money out there. 

    Having said that mine have survived 6 months on Hungarian roads(v. similair to Belgian Pave) and are still 100% true... just needed to adjust the bearings once. In short I like 'em but many don't. 


    Posted: 12/02/2008 21:15

    Ridden them

    Have a  Demo set as part of the test centre program available for .

    Feel like a deep section but climb very well.  Light stiff and strong (The Holy grail).  Would happily ride them in both racing and riding

    Well worth a test ride  


    Posted: 12/02/2008 22:50

    I was actually thinking of getting a set of these or the Fulcrum Zero's with the compo from both my accidents.

    Bit of a toss up I think now.


    Posted: 12/02/2008 22:59

    Vlad Book a Test ride then decide

    PM for details


    Posted: 13/02/2008 10:46

    Unless you ride at racing speeds the aerodynamics are the least important aspect of wheel performance. RCUK's pair of R-Sys wheels has given excellent service on several sportives and a lot of London commuting. They are very light, stiff, comfortable and reliable. Right now they are being ridden by 110kg Juan Christen, who after a month of commuting has cracked one spoke in the front wheel. Despite this the wheel remains true and rideable. Report coming soon.
    Posted: 13/02/2008 13:39

    Ridable until catastrophic wheel failure that is.

     Just be careful when you knick those carbon spokes - shattering spokes isn't on my 'Wants' list?


    Posted: 26/03/2008 16:26

    Would have to agree with Richard.  Test pair has been to Spain and the Canaries probably done over 2000 miles.  Not a single drama.

    Nicked spoke in  alloy are just as dangerous so you have nothing to fear 


    Posted: 27/03/2008 18:06

    So why not put carbon spokes on the drive side as well?
    Posted: 27/03/2008 21:07


    m@

    They were too fat to put on without adversely dishing the wheel apparently.

    I'm off to find some scary pics of R-Sys wheels exploding, back soon! 


    Posted: 27/03/2008 21:09


    m@

    Here we go....

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcmphotography/sets/72157603977693668/ 


    Posted: 27/03/2008 21:10

    Gosh M@,

    Would have thought that the spokes could be dangerous coming all away like that with the hub, and then pointing upwards whilst riders are flying around.

    I wounder when we will see the first spoke impaled rider ????


    Posted: 27/03/2008 22:50


    m@
    Did you notice in some pictures there's actually spokes flying round in the air above head height?
    Posted: 27/03/2008 23:00

    Nice, I'll take two pairs.
    Posted: 28/03/2008 08:02

    M@ it may also be because drive side spokes are vulnerable to damage from the chain coming off etc. So it's safer to fit alloy spokes because they don't tend to go boom.

    Good luck R-SYS riders, I'll try not to nick your spokes with my derailleur.  


    Posted: 28/03/2008 09:22

    I am a little alarmed at the way that wheel just disintegrated... There was no messing was there, one miute it was a wheel touching another, the next a rim, a hub, and however many spokes flying around like ninja chopsticks. I once pulled some spokes from touching a wheel. it ruined my wheel, I had an almighty crash, but apart from the 6 spokes that were ripped out of the rim, the wheel stayed complete... seems to me that the front R-sys structural integrity is highly interdependent...that scares me. Saying that, how often are you going to touch wheels with such force? Indeed I would estimate that only about 40% of people will fight a wheel when it catches someone elses rear, most people simply accept the inevitable. One of my cycling buddies caught my rear real bad once. He fought it and pushed pretty damn hard against it to stay up. His wheel was so bent it wouldn't go through the forks without a similar battle adn he had to call for roadside rescue! I am sure its smetimes cheaper just to fall offf!
    Posted: 28/03/2008 10:03

    is that my cue?


    Posted: 28/03/2008 15:48

    Are you playing snooker Tom ???
    Posted: 29/03/2008 01:31

    no, no... It's just 'falling off' is, well,... kinda my thing...
    Posted: 29/03/2008 10:41

    Classic case of carbon exceeding its ultimate tensile strength; all the strain energy going into the material is released explosively. The main problem for those in the vicinity is likely to be either ingestion of minute shards or strands of carbon-fibre or catching splinters.

    Presumably R-Sys wheels have been put through the UCI's wheel-testing protocols and have passed. After all, the UCI did not favour Mavic when the French company brought out the Mektronic gear shift system.


    Posted: 31/03/2008 17:43

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