The Gore ones are good, but the gripper elastic is a bit duff, and they're not super ultra warm. As a base layer they're great though.

Endura MT500 shorts with Ron Hill Bikesters (or DXB Bikesters) over the top...do me just fine....thanks

:OP

what would you recomend?

i heard DANIEL JONES prefers stockings....

Got to be Karrimor Powerstretch Bib Tights.

Endura's seem well rated, bit pricey though, I'm going to try either some Pro Vision or Lusso thermomax.

i use a combo of good quality shorts and cheap bibtights with no padded liner

i use a pair of pearl izuma ultra sensor shorts and either provision 3/4 (no insert) or the ground effect daddy long legs (again, no insert) over the top depending on the temperature. works for me...

Daniel,

I'd suggest buying ladies' tights - they work very well and I think they'd suit you perfectly...

yes i think womens tights would suit him down to the ground

endura mt500 longs are toasty warm......

the wind proof fleece ones are amazing

much warmer than power stretch

soory I forgot to say Endura do theese as does GOre