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Bike test - Giant OCR1

Cracking compact changes for '05


Posted: 5 December 2004
by Guy Andrews

RC

Giant have such a massive slice of the bicycle market. You'd expect a company of such magnitude to have corporate heads who care little for cycling and just want to make (more) money... Well it's not all board rooms and bottom lines at Giant. A few years ago I was invited by Giant to ride at the Etape with the top brass from their Dutch HQ. Not only do they make bikes, they are also super-keen cyclists, which is probably why they have sponsored a first division cycling team for many years and employ people who really do care about cycling. They are also really aware of the fact that to compete in the bicycle market you have to use the product yourself and give the consumers what they are after.

Giant seem to have done a lot of listening recently. Their 2005 range is the broadest road bike range from any of the top-name manufacturers. They now have a bike for every road bike riding discipline; cross, track, time trial and road. The OCR's fill the entry level road category starting at £425.00. This bike, the OCR1, sits just behind the range topping OCR Zero.

Giant introduced their compact frame designs around ten years ago. I have to be honest, I have never been a real fan. The idea was a reasonable one in theory, but the compromises involved when getting the bike to fit have always been a real pain for me. Giant's original idea was to present three sizes of frame; small, medium and large. Then you could opt for a different length seatpost and an adjustable stem. Well this may have worked on the drawing board but not when you are trying to fit riders to bikes who could be either 4'8" or 6'6" tall. They added larger sizes to some of the ranges but it still failed to cover all eventualities.

With the latest OCRs they've softened the lines of the frame geometry a little and made them semi-compact design across the board, they certainly look better. Some still only come in three sizes but the mainstay of the ranges are available in four, some in five and so they fit the short/tall extremes far better now. This bike came from De Ver cycles in South London. Everton (the mechanic at De Ver's) set the bike up for me and swapped a stem over to get the fit better. I opted for the medium size but fitted a 10cm stem as the 12cm one supplied was way too long. This is something well worth considering - although the bikes come in more sizes now you still may have to compromise the standard specification. This time in the workshop also meant the bike worked perfectly from the first pedal stroke.


Out on the road
Old Giant TCRs and OCRs were twitchy and flightly. The lighter they got the more fly-away the handling. This OCR was a much more stable platform so didn't take so long to get used to. Giant have worked into their AluxX 6061 frame and added flared ends to the tubes and more complicated profiles. It certainly looks more sophisticated and the welding quality is a step on from previous ranges.

Giant have given special attention to the rear seat and chainstays on the OCR. Where previous OCRs had thicker, shorter and straighter seat stays the latest version has gently swaged curved ones to smooth out the road a little. The chainstays allow a little more flex to the back end which is important as the bike cannot rely on a long seatpost to add any 'give' to the rear end.

The overall ride is still quite aggressive, just not in a Buckaroo type way, I liked the responsive feel and I was far more confident descending than on previous Giant testers. Cornering and sprinting is predictable too, with the 45mm raked carbon fork (which is soooo much better than the old aluminium one Giants used to suffer with!) soaking up bumps and pot holes with no effort at all. Colour is a love/hate issue - It shows the dirt but is neutral enough for most people.

Wheels
The Campagnolo theme is complete with a set of Ventos. They look good and ride better than similar priced and more expensive 'in-house' factory wheels. The Hutchinson Flash tyres are a little more hardwearing than their racing tyres and grip better in the wet - they also have a wider, more cushioned profile and added some comfort to the wheel package. Campagnolo hubs are, even at this end of the market, wonderful. Easy to service and will roll on for ages. During the testing period not a wobble or a lump to report from the Ventos. They look the part too.

Components
Many manufacturers are now recognising the importance of complete equipment groups. The 'average' bike consumer is now far more up to speed with componentry and Giant know a full groupset could turn heads in their direction over a competitors bike with a few corners cut. Having said that Giant have cut one small corner with the bottom bracket, although Campagnolo's Mirage BB is not top drawer, so it's a minor point.
Campagnolo's Mirage isn't the finest piece of engineering to leave Italy but it is reassuringly positive to shift gear sprockets and the braking power is far more reliable than similar priced Shimano units. The gearing was for racing rather than Etapping, so a switch of ratios at the rear wheel would be better for tackling higher hills in the summer.

Contact points
Fizik saddle was a welcome up-spec product on the OCR and the ITM bars and stem are becomming the stock option for 2005 (why, oh why?) I found the ergo bar way to stretched out, the 'drops' felt like they were in a different postcode to the 'tops'. However these parts are a massive leap forward compared to the goose-neck adjustable stem and hole in the middle saddles that Giant used to specify.

Conclusion
Giant have a massive buying power. So you know whatever bike you buy from them will be excellent value. This bike goes a little further too with better handling and more comfort than previous OCRs and it is a valid upgrade for any Giant buyer. It would be just at home on the slopes of the Col du Soulor as it would be on a tight UK crit circuit. I liked it and I know many budget buyers will too, especially seeing as the OCR 3 starts at £425 - Wow. But I am certain that the Shimano Ultegra equipped race-ready version of the OCR at £1100 will be one of the top sellers for '05. Just see if you can get one (whilst stocks last...).


Good: A class winning bike and greatly improved geometry

Bad: Down spec bottom bracket, but that's about it. Colours aren't everyone's cuppa

Performance:
4/5
Value:
5/5
Overall:
4/5

Specification
Frame sizes: S(51cm) M(54cm) L(57cm) XL (60cm) [c/t]
Size tested: M (54 cm top tube)
Frame tubing: AluxX 6061
Fork: Straight bladed Carbon/alloy steerer
Headset: Giant
Crankarms: Campagnolo Mirage triple 170 mm
Chainrings: Campagnolo Mirage triple 53/42/30T
B/B:
Pedals: none supplied
Chain: Campagnolo Mirage
Freewheel: Campagnolo Mirage 12-25
F/D: Campagnolo Mirage triple

R/D: Shimano 105 triple
Shifters: Campagnolo Mirage 9 speed
Handlebar: ITM Ergo 42cm
Stem: ITM forged 12cm
Tape: black cork
Brakes: Campagnolo Mirage
Wheels: Campagnolo Vento front and rear
Tires: Hutchinson Flash 700x23c
Saddle: Fi'zi:k Pave
Seatpost: Giant
Colour: off white 'camo' theme

Weight: 20.94lbs/9.5 kgs less pedals
Price: £750.00


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This frame looks the same as my USA imported 2004 model OCR 3. Does anyone know if this is how it works? Is the 2005 UK spec bike the same as the 2004 USA spec?
Posted: 07/12/2004 16:52

It is definitely a new frame with different geometry to 04.

The OCR is the same frame through the range and has quite a few changes. Does yours have the flared tubing for example?
Posted: 08/12/2004 15:19

I rode this bike to De Ver cycles in south London from the Road Cycling UK office in central London. It was only a 10 mile run because I took a roundabout way there - sorry Maurice but I had to give it a quick try.

For a commute I ride an OCR3 and the contrast is stark. A much smoother and responsive ride and after the normal pfaffing around of getting use to the way the bike was set up a joy to ride.

I like Giants and the 2005 OCR1 gives you a lot of bike for your money.

One problem I had was getting use to the triple chain ring. I did struggle to find the right gear but as I'd never ridden a triple before that says more about me.
Posted: 18/12/2004 19:47

Just bought the OCR1 today from All Terrain Cycles in Crosshills near Keighley. Looks the biz, can't wait to ride it!! New to raod bikes, last road bike was a peuguot drop when I was a kid!! Bought on RCUK's review basis, so it better be good!!
Posted: 30/12/2004 21:03

I have an OCR2 2005 and bar a few issues with the Rodi Stylus wheels the bike is a joy to ride and at £550 a steal. I was tempted to buy the OCR1, but needed to watch my budget. That said I might swap to Campy Ventos in the future.
Posted: 17/01/2005 12:23

Andy

I hope you're loving it. You bought it from a great bunch of guys.
Posted: 18/01/2005 11:30

How do you know where i bought it from? ;-). That said it is a great shop, though a bit far from home. :-(
Posted: 18/01/2005 11:39

Ah ha. i bought it from AW Cycles, not De Vere as I think you think I bought it from. However, De Vere would've been alot easier for return visits. I'm going to check them out soon.
Posted: 18/01/2005 11:51

Sorry Sean. I was referring to Andy's posting re All Terrain. Having said that where did you get yours?

:)
Posted: 18/01/2005 11:51

No worries, as it said it was fom AW Cycles in Caversham. As I live in Gipsy Hill not a smart move now knowing De Vere is sooo much closer. That said, AWC is a great shop and head mechanic Rik a top bloke. However, I have major issue with the new wheels on the OCR2 with a spoke or two coming loose after just a ride or two despite being tightened properly. AWC said they are new wheels for 2005 and so as I'm the only OCR2 buyer so far its guinea pig time. Any bought from De Vere's?
Posted: 18/01/2005 11:56

Ah ha. i bought it from AW Cycles, not De Vere as I think you think I bought it from. However, De Vere would've been alot easier for return visits. I'm going to check them out soon.
Posted: 18/01/2005 11:58

I know both AW and De Ver. I live in Tooting so De Ver is my local bike shop.

I've heard only good things about AW but never been out that way.

Dont know about the new wheels. If you can let me know what they are I can raise it with the distributor for you.

Otherwise take it down to De Ver and Maurice or Nigel will have a look for you.
Posted: 18/01/2005 12:04

Well AWC want the bike back as soon as I can spare the time to take it back to return it to Giant. Its under warranty so I'm hoping that the Rodi Stylus wheels can be swapped for the Vento's that come with the OCR1. The wheels look the part, but as AW were at pains to point out they are radically different to the set that Giant have equiped most if not all previous OCR2s. I love the bike and have now as a member of Addiscombe CC been out on two club rides and guested with Dulwich Paragon.
Posted: 18/01/2005 12:31

Sean,

I've had no luck finding out who the distributor for Rodi so I've asked Ginat to respond. I've asked them to respond on this forum thread but if I hear direct I'll post it here.

For what its worth I was chatting to the guys at Cycle Surgery and it seems all OCR2 2005 have these wheels but I'm not certain about that.
Posted: 18/01/2005 14:57

Thats right they do. Are you in the trade? Thanks for asking.
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:03

No Sean. I work for RCUK.
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:08

All I know is that on the back wheel, and it might just be mine, one spoke came loose at the rim after just one 40mile ride. I shouldn't have to tweak the spoke each time I go out. As said before Rik at AWC will send it off to Giant when I can spare the time to get from Gipsy Hill to Caversham.
Good site by the way.
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:16

Ah, if we're on the subject of who sells what where - anyone care to recommend a Specialized outlet near my house ?

The dealer locator on their site is awful !

So recommendations centred on the Camberley, Farnborough area would be excellent.
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:19

Guy, sorry for the delay in replying. Yes it does have the flared or "fluid formed" tubing. I saw one of the 2005 biks at RYDON in Bedford last weekend, it looks very similar to mine.
I'll see if my skills extend to mailing a picture to you!
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:25

Evans are a Specialised dealer, depending on where you live they maybe nearby.
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:25

How about:

Hargroves in Winchester - 01962 860005
here
OR
Beyond Mountain Bikes in Cranleigh 01483 267626
here
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:27

Looks like Hargroves might be a good old roadie store. Which might be good, cos I think I might need a bit of advice. As long as they don't ask me if I want woofers and tweeters on it, I'll be fine.

I've been in Beyond, had a very patient bloke watch me try on every shoe in the store before leaving with nothing. I'll give 'em a call and see if they do roadies.
Posted: 18/01/2005 15:35

Whaddyamean its awful:

check here
Posted: 18/01/2005 16:05

No - on the Spesh site ! Tsk, Touchy.

Basically you have to know where the dealers are to find them. Which sorta defeats the object.
Posted: 18/01/2005 16:15

Oops. Hangs his head in shame.
Posted: 18/01/2005 16:18

ooh - here's a good one. Think its the place that's now known as Wellington Trek in Sunningdale


"A FRIENDLY BIKE SHOP WITH A GOOD LOOKING GIRL BEHIND THE COUNTER"

Don't do Spesh, but, hey - I'm open to persuasion.
Posted: 18/01/2005 16:23

So, Guy did you get chance to look at the photo? How does it compare with the latest models?
Posted: 19/01/2005 14:39

There isn't a picture of this ' good looking girl behind counter' then ?
Posted: 19/01/2005 15:11

Sean

This is the reply I've got from Russell Davies at Giant. Many thanks to Russell for replying so promptly - he emailed this to me on Thuesday but I've been out of the office until today - but if you have any problems please let me know.

http://www.rodi.pt/cyclingpt/

Hi Peter

Here's the link to the Rodi web site, as yet they are not showing any agent in the UK but there is a company called Dillglove tel: 0121 308 0314 that import Rodi products.

In terms of problems with wheels; Giant will of course honour any warranty problems that occur with these wheels and we have spoken to A.W cycles with regards to the loose spoke problem. Once the bicycle is in the shop we can then address this problem and get it resolved once and for all.

I'm sorry I can't shed any more light on this matter at this moment in time but once the bikes back in the shop I'll have more information to go on.

Yours Sincerely

Russell Davies

After Sales Manager
Posted: 24/01/2005 11:57

Peter,

Thanks. Should I be worried that Rodi are makers of kitchen sinks? ;-). So far the bike has been behaving itself on a club run with my club, Addiscombe CC. However, I intend to take it back to AWC in the next few weeks. Thanks again.

Sean
Posted: 24/01/2005 12:22

didnt they recall the ocrs due to their couolour being really unjpopular, i was trying to get an ocr3 and they kept delaying then i was told they had recalled all the orange colours and sent them to the continent and were bringing out a new, more subdued scheme for the UK. I gto the spesh allez instead
Posted: 25/01/2005 08:13

If that is the case then mine is all the rarer for it. To be honest, the colour is not to everyone's liking. However, the OCR1 is bland whereas mine does at least stand out. That said, I prefered the paint job on the OCR '04. As for Speshs, I was advised by one unamed shop bloke to aviod them like the plague as in his own words' they make great mtbs, but that's all'. Each to their own I say.
Posted: 25/01/2005 09:36

you can find an lbs who'll slag off anything, usually when they don't stock it, my spesh was reccomended by Cheltenham cycles who dont stoc them but they knew i couldn't get the giant for a while so they said the spesh was to be honest just as good (with a better rear mech being the only part whihc differentiates them on paper)
Posted: 26/01/2005 08:24

I have an OCR2, also having trouble with the wheels, the for starters both wheels have wandered from true with a 14 mile ride, and the joint on the front wheel seems to have seperated, and makes a glorious ckicking sound while riding! Spoke to the dealer, says hes unaware of any problems with the wheels, but to bring it back for a repair or replace, might ask him to replace to a better wheelset!
Tim
Posted: 01/03/2005 21:05

Tim,

I have had mine rebuilt, though when cash is less tight i might go for some campag ventos. Giant said that out of the thousands of wheelsyes they'd ordered for the OCR2 they'd received very few complaints. That said try to get the wheels rebuilt under the warranty. Where did you buy it?

Sean
Posted: 01/03/2005 21:13

Been following this thread with interest as I've been planning on buying an OCR2. I know you can get problems with any bikes, especially new but another problem I heard about the OCR was a noisey/loose stem head. Can anyone shed any light on this ? I'm still certain to buy an OCR, but might have to dip further and get the OCR1 if my budget will stretch that far. Convince me I'm still doing the right thing ...
Posted: 25/04/2005 13:33

My headset doesn't creak and isnt loose, no problems there, I thought some may develop because I've heard the same, but its the way Giant have the adjustment setup so they only need to make three or four sized frames, as for the wheel, took it back to the dealer, he had a look, problem returned a few weeks later, and Giant replaced it no problems whatsoever, took about a week in all.
Well done Giant!
my verdict is get the OCR2, keep going back to the dealer if theres any problems, you can buy a fixed headset when your happy with the position, I assume the creaking comes from the large amount of spacers used.
Apart from the little niggle with the wheel with which there was no dragging of feet on either the dealer or Giant, I highly recommend the OCR2, its cheap enough and rides rather nice too!
Posted: 25/04/2005 14:45

I have had an OCR2 and love it. Have had only a problem with the wheels, but this was fixed by AW Cycles. Overall I love the bike and it has a great frame that will handle a good upgrade.
Posted: 25/04/2005 15:27

I agree, get rid of the sora derailleurs, and the bike will be sweet as!
I am using it as factory for TTing on, including the toeclips and straps with old reebok classic trainers!



It's retro ok, retro.

Posted: 25/04/2005 19:17

Thanks for the advice, people. What about the OCR1 with the Campag set-up, just to really push the issue. Anybody tried it ?
Posted: 25/04/2005 19:59

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